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Post  Grandfather Johnson on Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:26 pm

I hope they remind him of the amount of prospectors that come to Maryborough and surrounding areas spending their cash on prospecting gear, caravan parks, cafes, super markets, service stations, tab, clubs, car repairs, tyres ,caravans acc & repairs, camping gear , I am sure there would be more that I cant think of at the moment. Cheers

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Post  rowdy on Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:37 pm

One thing that a lot of people probably haven't considered is that if all the states forests are made into National Parks that those who currently collect firewood from the designated wood collection areas will come to and end and they will need to find alternative heating sources which will involve buying new heaters and stoves etc.
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Post  Grandfather Johnson on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:16 pm

Does this mean that Parks Vic will no longer be able to do their burn off programs? Just asking..........Cheers

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Post  Harb on Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:38 pm

ozgold 041 wrote:
Harb wrote:Its all scare mongering.....

If google earth cant afford to keep their imagery even close to up to date, in most cases its years old.....the thought of a two bit operation in Australia doing it is ridiculous.

there are next to no organisations in the world other than the US military that could monitor anything of use to catch anyone illegally mining in Oz

This is just a plot to scare people into thinking they could get caught......

"Realtime" satillites are all but non existant, and the ones that are are not positioned over the southern hemisphere, and cost billions of dollars to run each year........like I said, its BS
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Hi Harb.

Times are moving on Mate, I realize what it used to be like with Sat imagery, have you not heard that even large Shire Councils are using this latest Sat gear, being to look for building breaches with-out a permit? All done from the chair in an office now a days.

The things that Government Departments can do now would amaze you, we the plebs are always kept in the dark. The public are treated like sheep as you would know.

Don't under-estimate BIG Brother these days.

Didn't someone post not long ago on our forum, Re, the Govt. Moto. Hello Darkness my old friend .

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Trust me, I work in the Sat industry and its not that easy...........they would have to own their own bird, and have their own earth station to guide it.........even if they hired Sat time its not "realtime" either......we are not yet in the jetson's age regardless of what they try to convince you....

The best they could do is use image comparison technologies which simply compare one image to another........but its of limited use as the urban area's are the most uptodate imagery, and even large parts of the major cities are 5 years or more old.......

Some country regions are newer purely because they we under a random passover, but may not get another scan for days months or years, with years being to most likely.

My BIL is a player in a magor council and he wishes what you say was true by they way............real time would be a great tool......

Anyway, if you are still not convinced, just imagine how many satilites it would take to cover the country in realtime !!!!   if you zoom out wide on google earth you can see how much an area they cover in one sweep due to the overlapping dates and therefore the seasons of the various scans.....




Here is an example of what I am talking about......even within a Image update the scans are ages apart (this is the current update to the images on google earth).....left and right times of the scan were done many months or years apart.......


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Post  determined1 on Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:54 pm

Hello all,

I understand the period for making comment on this has been extended to March 8th, 2017.

Any news on the planned meeting between the Mayor and the PMAV Wombat?


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Post  Wombat on Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:52 pm

Hi Determined1
We had our meeting last week with the Mayor. There was about 10 of us all up, 2 from the Council and 8 of us from the PMAV. We put our concern's to the Mayor and told them that their plans were not in the best interest for prospectors, or anyone else who use the bush. They said we were scare mongering and they had no intention of keeping anyone out of the bush, specially prospectors. But we told them that if they keep pushing to try and get the Goldfields under World Heritage (as this is what they are pushing for) it would automatically exclude prospectors from entering under the Heritage Laws. They said they still have a long way to go before all this can happen. The reason they are doing this is because the Maryborough Council are after the tourist dollar. But they did say that they would take our comment on board. I don't think they realised what they could be doing and damaging the whole goldfields for the every day user. The PMAV head office are looking into it further.
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Post  Liquid Gold on Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:04 am

Wombat wrote:Hi Determined1
We had our meeting last week with the Mayor. There was about 10 of us all up, 2 from the Council and 8 of us from the PMAV. We put our concern's to the Mayor and told them that their plans were not in the best interest for prospectors, or anyone else who use the bush. They said we were scare mongering and they had no intention of keeping anyone out of the bush, specially prospectors. But we told them that if they keep pushing to try and get the Goldfields under World Heritage (as this is what they are pushing for) it would automatically exclude prospectors from entering under the Heritage Laws. They said they still have a long way to go before all this can happen. The reason they are doing this is because the Maryborough Council are after the tourist dollar. But they did say that they would take our comment on board.  I don't think they realised what they could be doing and damaging the whole goldfields for the every day user. The PMAV head office are looking into it further.  
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In other words, "Be quiet little people and mind your business. We rule your little world and will do what ever we want." If they want to change everything to world heritage, then we should have our miners rights changed to "including world heritage". It is the peoples land, not the governments. We need stronger action to stop this theft.

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Post  gollstar on Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:06 pm

Doe's anyone know which state forest these changes might effect, because my land backs onto state forest!

Also the council are fools, banning prospecting will increase unemployment not increase it, i know the bush around here it can be nice, it is relaxing etc, but it aint no Grampians or Otway's/Great Ocean road, no one in there right mind is going to come to Maryborough to look at old mining ground, They will go to Sovereign hill, but gold prospectors do come to the Central goldfields and stay from all over Australia and even the world,

The Central goldfields has Talbot, Amherst, Maryborough, Dunolly,and Moliagul, some of the best nugget country in the world, as for tourist dollar's the council should be getting the excavators out for us, not horsing about talking about heritage nonsense, as a rate payer and registered local voter i'm upset about these proposals,

I can't wait for the state elections to get here, so we can get the Shooters, fishers and farmers, ALA, and one Nation in to shake things up a bit.


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Post  Wombat on Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:29 am

Hi Gollstar Just to put the record straight. The council did not say they are trying to get prospecting banned if their proposal comes in. They told us that this is the furthermost thing way from their minds, or stop anyone else from using the bush. They are only trying to get the tourist and their dollars here. And in their minds to achieve this is to try and turn the whole place into a Heritage Park. We then told them if this happens then prospecting would automatically be banned. They did not believe that this is true and that they would make sure that prospecting or any other activity that is aloud now will still happen then. We told them if it becomes a National Heritage Park they would not have a say in it. Basically that is were it stands now. We are hoping that they will include us and let us have a say in future negotiations with the higher authorities. But I don't think is will happen as we are against their proposal as it stands.
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Post  dougy on Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:08 am

Wombat wrote:Hi Gollstar Just to put the record straight. The council did not say they are trying to get prospecting banned if their proposal comes in. They told us that this is the furthermost thing way from their minds, or stop anyone else from using the bush. They are only trying to get the tourist and their dollars here. And in their minds to achieve this is to try and turn the whole place into a Heritage Park. We then told them if this happens then prospecting would automatically be banned. They did not believe that this is true and that they would make sure that prospecting or any other activity that is aloud now will still happen then. We told them if it becomes a National Heritage Park they would not have a say in it. Basically that is were it stands now. We are hoping that they will include us and let us have a say in future negotiations with the higher authorities. But I don't think is will happen as we are against their proposal as it stands.
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Any chance Wombat this could be seen as a cost cutting exercise,as many years ago CGS used to send in a dozer & grader to upkeep the main tracks fairly often,but have not seen such for a very long time now and some are getting out of hand,it would suit them to barracade them off leaving less expenditure,now their rates % is being fixed they will be looking at shortcuts.

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Post  Wombat on Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:39 am

That could be true Dougy as I noticed in the local newspaper that the council was saying about rate cut backs that they more than likely would have to cut back on a lot of services. And this could be one of them. But I think that most tracks you see out in the bush are maintained by State and the Forestry boys. I think the only ones that the council looks after are the major and main dirt roads that run through the bush, like Possum Gully Rd. and roads like that.
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Post  ozgold 041 on Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:26 pm

Hello Forum Members.

Further to the talk on proposed changes of the Native Vegetation Act, I read an article in the Maryborough Advertiser on Tuesday.
Where the Victorian Farmers Federation, had received an “Extension” to find out just what this new policy meant to them, and give each the time to voice their concerns about these so called changes.

The State Government gave them a 1 month reprieve, as they know very well most farmers are busy at this time of the year, many still getting their crops harvested, cutting and baling hay etc.

I would also like to draw all Members attention to an advertisement in Today’s Herald Sun, the ad placed by our local miner in Central Victoria, Mr N. Perry.  

This appears in the General Notices Section, under the Heading of Native Vegetation Proposals.  He is asking for all interested parties that will be affected by these changes, to please email him with their contact details.

He is looking to amass a united front of many, including any concerned Victorian Organizations, Farmers everywhere, and Assorted Clubs where their members utilize the bush on a regular basis, Prospectors and Miners State wide.

These Steam-Rolled proposals have been kept Under the Radar so to speak. Assessment Committees have been stacked specifically, so there can only be one outcome.

Now is the time for us all to act on this, you will not get another chance to ensure that we keep our access to the forests of Victoria.

Farmers must look into this also, as it will affect their Private land in the long run.

There will be another similar article to this, in next Wednesday’s Herald and Weekly Times, there could be a write-up too I have been informed.

Concerned Party. Ozgold.

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Post  gollstar on Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:42 pm

Has the Shooters, Fishers and farmers party been informed about this, they advocate on behalf of the public's right to public land, i would consider contacting them as a matter of urgency, and point out that hunting of pest animals will most likely be banned on government/our land as well as everything else!

http://www.shootersfishersandfarmers.org.au/contact

They also have a facebook page where you can contact them!

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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:21 pm

Thankyou ozgold 41


Mr N Perry is asking for support from everyone that will be affected to send their email details to him, at his e/mail address, which is nevilleperry66@gmail.com

He asked me to also mention that his proposal for our united front, (if we can get the numbers)?? Was to organise and assemble another Eureka Rebellion in the heart of Ballarat.


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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:48 pm

G'day Ozgold 01,

Someone maybe should have put up a partition on behalf of all people that use the bush/land like prospectors, bush walkers, bike riders, 4wheel drivers and shooters and have them in all prospecting/detector shops, post offices and local milk bar/general stores etc. That way we/all can sign that partition and then there would have been many signatures to hand into the relevant departments. Just MHO.

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Post  gollstar on Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:57 pm

If someone want's to start a change .org petition, i will share it to shooter's group's on FB, a mate is on all the 4WD sites so ill share it with him as well, get it onto the Grey nomads forum and fishing forum's as well, the more the merrier.

Make the Petition to include all group's who use the bush!

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