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Post  Jonathan Porter on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:48 am

As forum members are aware the GPZ 19 coil has became a very emotive subject after its release with the people who were disgruntled having a VERY public voice on their displeasure. I won't name names because that could get this thread deleted without warning but regular readers will remember and know the discourse that followed.

I will also say up front so there is no misunderstanding that I am a Minelab dealer and have been since December 2015, opening our retail shop here in Clermont in March 2016. However I have been a member of this forum for a very long time and readers have always known of my close affiliation with Minelab, dealership or not, yet have happily asked me questions and taken what I have written and suggested and put that information to good use.

Some years ago a good friend of mine was once a moderator on this forum and he did a sterling job, Peter Cragg from Gold City detecting was fair and even and decent but this forum turned against him the moment he took his knowledge and experience into a shop environment so eventually he was forced to quit and now VERY rarely ever posts, to the detriment of everyone here.  Peter and I have been close friends for a long time, we often detect together and we often talk gold, we are now also each others competition as we both actively promote our businesses to maintain viability and market share in an ever increasingly competitive market that is driven by the bigger chains in the larger population centers who's population come to our areas to detect every winter. We both live on the gold fields and both of us are VERY experienced detector operators who know the subject inside out, but more importantly we both have a history of giving freely to the forums for the simple pleasure of wanting to help others well before we turned our passions into a living.

I think both Peter and I have more than adequately demonstrated our honesty and integrity in this industry, yet first he and now I have been squeezed out of making any sort of public comment about metal detecting because of an inane fear of bias, whereas others who are clearly biased through opinion or affiliation have free reign. I do not hide behind a pseudonym, this is my name and I post under it, what I say is what I mean including when I get it wrong.

The case in point: The whole debacle of the GPZ 19 coil is a classic example of how things can go out of whack when there is not enough balance on forum comments, emotions were high so I completely understand and am more than happy for members to have a vent at their disappointment. I could say more on this subject but do not want to offend, but this forum at one stage was the laughing stock of the internet due to the imbalanced content being so freely displayed compared to what people were actually experiencing with the coil. Put it this way, if its OK for members to question my ethics due to my association with Minelab and my dealership then perhaps the magnifying glass of scrutiny should also be passed across a broader spectrum of commentators.Suspect

To prove my point I deliberately went out detecting with the "DOG" GPZ 19 coil, in case your wondering I do take comments that are unfair and unfounded very personally because I take my role in developing Minelab products very seriously, this has always been the case not just since I became a dealer. Because the forum traffic was so profound and so vociferous I actually started to doubt the coils ability myself (I've made no bones about certain aspects of the coil are less than ideal). So Christmas eve I found myself at a favourite testing ground in one of the Clermont GPA's (McMasters for those in the know), my sole aim was to use the GPZ 7000 to the best of my ability and to see what I could turn up in the 4 hours available to me before the heat set in.

2 hours later and I had a good signal and even more importantly I know I've had the GPZ 14 coil over that very same ground. To prove the point I made the effort in spite of the heat and went back to the vehicle and grabbed the GPZ 14 coil and filmed the whole thing doing direct comparisons. I intend to compile that footage in the coming weeks once I've got my sons settled in their new locations after completing Year 12 last year, so please be patient.

26 gram water worn crystalline "Herring Bone" nugget


26 gram piece cleaned with a tooth brush


So now I have the evidence that the coil is not a "DOG" in spite of the commentary so what do I do next? Simple I treat the situation like I'm testing a metal detector and go out and try to repeat the experience. This found me back at the test location just after Christmas blinking the sleep out of my eyes, this time it took me four hours to get onto the sort of signal I'm chasing but now its not just a one hit wonder, its now two quality pieces of gold, or as one forum member likes to call them, two quality "colours". This nugget was in open ground that has never had grass on it in all the 20 plus years I've been detecting here, so I know I've had many a coil over it since the SD 2100 including the GPZ 14. By now my passions up so I'm ashamed to say I did do a little war dance and proffered a single ****** to the sky with an expletive to all the malcontents!!Embarassed  

30 gram slug I found between Christmas and New Years


I'm on a roll now so it wasn't hard to justify some more testing, this time with my 17 nearly 18 year old son in tow I revisited the diggings and mopped up my testing with a solid little 12 gram slug in nasty variable ground. I'm really proud of this dig, not because it was deep but because the ground was problematic and has always been problematic with every detector I have ever used there.


Plucky little 12 grammer


So now I have a touch over 2 ounces of gold and my faith restored in what I tell people when they come into the store inquiring about the GPZ 19 coil, and yes I have talked customers out of buying them because they are hard work and require commitment from the operator. At the end of the day using the GPZ 19 is a little like dealing in real estate, Location, Location, Location. The set up and use message I've been telling people all along still stands but you also need to think about the location. The gold has to actually be there for you to find it, refine your targeting methods to improve your odds.

Lastly, at the end of the day its up to forum members to make their own minds up about what is fact or fiction, I've been in this game a long time so I'm not surprised by the flavour of a forum dependent on the popular vote. I now speak to all the silent members out there who frequent this forum but who do not post for fear of being caught up in the noise of the naysayers, this is your forum too! Below are some of the nuggets I've hoarded since I started using the GPZ both during testing and afterwards, all of them were found using a large coil in varying states of development, this is fact not fiction.

Jonathan Porter



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Post  Tributer on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:26 am

Thanks for sharing JP. I agree with you, the coil has shown me its ability to find deep gold missed by the 14. (although I have not dug any very deep large slugs with it yet, it has picked up on some very deep iron targets missed by the 14).

I wrote to Minelab about the coils high friction factor & stick catch issue recommending they quickly develop a full cover lexan/plastic skid plate.

I like the 7000 and the 19 coil now completes the package for different detecting situations for me. Its all good and I am keen to get back to some spots where deep slugs have been found in the past and run the 19, and I can't wait to giving the 19 a long run in the pilbara

I don't mind the different views of people on the forum, but hate the unjustified veiled or direct attacks on people like you, they must stop.

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Post  GOLDGASM on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:28 am

Thanks for the update jp, that is an inspiring effort put in with the 19"!

GG

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Post  Liquid Gold on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:36 am

Well done JP, look forward to the vids. I don't think many people will challenge the fact that this coil will find gold, but the gripe is the "Average" 30% increase over the 14 inch coil which has people angry and disillusioned when you couple it with that price tag.
But this is the sort of info to lift spirits.
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Post  Dozer on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:41 am

To me the key part of your post is these twelve words

The gold has to actually be there for you to find it

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Post  Harb on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:06 am

I.ve always looked at this subject a bit like the Fridge at home.........even though it was full of goodies to eat it slowly got to the point that it was harder and harder to find anything I liked, so I went and looked in the one out in the garage......low and behold, there was a packet of frozen party pies........
moral was even though it was there once, and there may even be something minor hiding in the back if you look really hard,............. sometimes its just easier to look in the next fridge.
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Post  UNCLE BOB on Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:25 pm

JP,

I guess you can call this gpz19 coil........ "A specialist coil "

Also, with Minelabs advertising this coil with the famous % scandal, has put you in the spot, so to speak.
We are all in it to find some gold, some people do, some don't, some get jealous, some find a lot of gold, some get envious and ect..............if you think positively and don't judge others, then the world is your oyster.


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Post  Jonathan Porter on Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:33 pm

UNCLE BOB wrote:JP,
I guess you can call this gpz19 coil........ "A specialist coil "..............

Then I guess you've just described the GPZ 7000 too!

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Post  deutran on Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:18 pm

Thanks for posting Jonathan nice to see some great results for the 7000/19" combo.
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Post  UNCLE BOB on Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Jonathan Porter wrote:
UNCLE BOB wrote:JP,
I guess you can call this gpz19 coil........ "A specialist coil "..............

Then I guess you've just described the GPZ 7000 too!

JP

No harm in using this term, is it?
After all, isn't that what it is?
If not, correct me if I'm wrong?

When you take it to heart, you lose your ability to do things professionally.
Have a good day T25


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Post  kevlorraine2 on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:48 pm

good one JP. i am looking forward to the vid, and thanks for boosting my confidence ... kev

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Post  Digginerup on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:53 pm

Gday JP, fair comment, first let me say I am glad to see you take the time to respond to this 19" situation via this forum, it would be much easier to deal with the matter within your own sphere and leave it implode here I would imagine.
I do not own one but am as many others are a keen follower of its fortunes,  I see no reason why anyone cant voice an opinion here..........in a respectful manner that is  Wink , therein lies the problem eh Rolling Eyes additionally I feel with text based conversation, the intent is sometimes hard to gauge, much easier face to face, a newcomer or an and old hand both deserve to express an opinion, right or wrong, as in all endeavors the young(er) bucks will clash with the old (er) guard , so be it, I for one appreciate your input as much as the next mans so I hope we can all adjust our blouses and move on to the nitty gritty..... which seems to be in this case the non believers wish to see proof positive of the new 19" coils considerably priced advantages over its little 14" brother who seems to set the benchmark in most circumstances, god knows I love my old 45.......for now Wink some will not be convinced in any way but by their own eye, so be that too, I will watch with much anticipation for your videos and hopefully others to come.

Nice nuggets/colours by the way T06

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Post  vasilis on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:03 pm


I think it is only fair to wait for the video that JP has mentioned. I am looking forward to seeing it and I would love to see some real time comparison of the 2 coils.
I was one of the first people to condemn the 19 inch coil based on the promised "average 30 percent" claim but would like to see me proven wrong on this issue.
I want to see some positive results and would be eager to change my opinion if it gives us the greater depth.
Thanks for posting JP and keen to see the video when you get the time.
Regards Bill
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Post  piston broke on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:23 pm

Well done Jonathon. It's good to see the coil can produce ( in the right hands) cheers Pete.
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Post  spinna on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:10 pm

Thanks JP.  Looking forward to seeing the videos demonstrating the 19" compared to the 14"





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Post  G.B. on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:48 pm

Good post JP look fwd to the vid

Regardless of whether you are a Minelab Tester and some will say a vested interest. (If you ever offered to swap lifestyles with someone, there would be a stampede and a queue from one end of the country to the other of people willing to jump at the chance of trading places.)

I have also listened and taken note of your advice re detecting methods, setups and methods to suit various Minelab Detectors and can say the advice you give is fairly spot on with only a few tweeks here and their to suit different conditions.

I actually now look back with amusement at the release of the 7000 and the disapointment of some early purchasers who were ready to rip it to bits. Yes it had some teething problems but once sorted with ferite and upgrade those same early doubters now reckon it is the best detector ever made. You stated early that the Zed was something special as far as detectors go and you were spot on.

So regardless of what a minority say you have over the years in one way or another directly or indirectly helped nearly everyone who swings a detector whether they realise it or not. So who cares whether you have a vested interest or not you advice has benifited many.
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Post  kon61 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:05 am

Q33 Absolutely agree. I remember clearly stating somewhere, "a couple of inches greater depth" over that of the GPX 5000, using a somewhat similar in size coil, to that of the GPZ 14x13 for $10,700 was quite a steep jump in price no? but, can't remember ever saying, that the GPZ 7000, as being an inferior detector, to its predecessors. Also,let me be the first to say, that JP's contribution/sharing of knowledge over the years, on detectors/coils, gold found & in what soils, through this & other forums, has been beyond reproach. His knowledge in the metal detecting/prospecting for gold game, has been an invaluable source of information to many, including myself & for this reason, I highly appreciate & consider JP, with the highest of respect. A Minelab dealer he might now be, but what better credentials to have as a Minelab dealer, than a man with a generation's worth, both as amateur, full time pro & tester for Minelab, tracking down that darned, elusive "Golden Ointment". Laughing     
JP, we might not see eye to eye all the time & as you know, some of us here (referring to myself as well) can be quite demanding or thick skinned at times, but let it be known, that you are held by the majority here, in the highest of esteem. (by the way, nice gold).
Best of luck with the business & as Spock would say, "live long & prosper".
Now, what exactly were you saying about that 19 inch "Dog" of a coil?  Shocked  Q35

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Post  fredmason on Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:20 am

Jonathan, thank you again and always! I cannot think of any detecting gold hunter that has done more for the endeavor than you. Your posts are always informative. Your videos were all educational and entertaining. Your work on developing the Minelab product line has been significant.

You have given much to the nugget hunting community and received very little gratitude for the time and effort invested.
Yes, I hear the naysayers yelling-he got paid, he got this, blah, blah...bs!

I hope you will always be on the forums to teach and inspire!

best wishes
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Post  Flakmagnet on Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:06 am

Jonathan Porter is an advocate whose reputation, experience and knowledge is impossible to dispute.
His public stance is always clear and open.
The thread has been provided with positive evidence both visual and experiential of the new coil's effectiveness
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Post  ozgold 041 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:26 am

Flakmagnet wrote:


Jonathan Porter is an advocate whose reputation, experience and knowledge is impossible to dispute.
His public stance is always clear and open.
The thread has been provided with positive evidence both visual and experiential of the new coil's effectiveness

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Hi Fred and Flak.

Just what we needed some back-up from the good ol’ USA, those photos and text is certainly undisputable proof of the ability of the GPZ 19”in Coil.

Where is the nearest dealer? I’m on my way.

Cheers ozgold.

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Post  goldtalkleonora on Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:23 am

One thing I almost never do is talk about what I've found etc...however.....
Dozer got it right when he said:

To me the key part of your post is these twelve words

The gold has to actually be there for you to find it

Again I'll say that I only prospect in WA and I don't have a 19"coil.....what I'll also say is that I have considerable experience prospecting (not just metal detecting). Almost everyone who finds gold is thinking to themselves...."what's underneath?"... "if only I could scrape off a few inches"....as someone who does it for a living I can tell you the answer most of the time....nothing. I'll give you one example.....500oz plus found on the surface (down to about 400mm) site pushed...result.....half a gram. As I said...I don't like talking numbers and weights when it comes to gold but there you have it and this story happens 6-8 times out of ten. Here is my thoughts on the conversation.....does the 19" go 30% deeper???...who cares? People are expecting to strap on a bigger coil and suddenly nuggets will appear....sorry....ain't going to happen fella's! I reckon it's fair to say that most people are rubbish operators...everyone reckons they are the gun...but in reality it's a different story. I would bet a charity ticket that we could have had a heap of people swinging the 19" over the same area, with the same settings for no result. I don't know JP and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong....but what was the difference???...He KNEW there was gold in that spot......mentally he was on the ball. SO will the 19 punch deeper?....of course it will...will gold suddenly jump out of the ground?...of course it won't...it has to be there in the first place....will GOOD operators squeeze more out of their patches?...of course they will, they are good operators!...will the other 95% find gold with it?...probably not...they are reading rubbish on forums and have already decided the coil is no good...they have lost the fight before it begins.

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Post  kon61 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:28 pm

None of us said you don't have experience in the pursuit of the "Golden Ointment" Goldtalkleonora, but lets not twist the facts any further than what several owner users, of the 19 inch GPZ coil have experienced so far.
JP is not the only experienced, savvy operator of the GPZ 7000 & 19 inch coil, that can squeeze more gold out of old gold producing patches, than what the rest of us inexperienced 19 inch coil users are capable of? You say JP new, that by going back to an area that contained good gold in the past, using a much larger more powerful coil, he'd pick up more gold by the new larger coil, that the 14x13 missed? Did not most us owner/users of the 19 inch GPZ coil do the same, by going back to old gold producing haunts? Or did we all run out looking for virgin ground, to swing the 19 inch coil over? Who can lay claim to knowing for certain, that there's more gold to be found over any past gold producing area? Only a complete newbie, might think the way you're talking, but not someone who's been swinging detector/coils & finding gold for years.
This thread is not about what one has found, or not found after dozing operations, nor about the reputation of a members credibility. It's about the depth performance by the GPZ 19 inch coil, over that of the depth capabilities, of the GPZ's 14x13 inch coil. That's all its ever been, or should have been from the start.
No 19 inch coil owner operator, has stated so far, of having witnessed the claimed 30% depth advantage, by the 19 inch coil, over that of the 14x13, on any size gold, on any forum. So I take it that, every buyer of the new 19 inch GPZ coil are quite content & more than happy with the performance of their newly acquired 19 inch super D coil, disregarding all other claims by Minelab. Shocked
Neither has any owner operator of the 19 inch super D coil stated, that the 19 inch coil, is not capable of finding or picking up gold at greater depth. Some 19 inch coil users, have already found gold with it, just not at that claimed 30% average depth gain advantage, over that of the 14x13 inch coil. The reason most GPZ owners were keen to part with $1300 or $1800 on a much larger heavier detecting coil, was because they believed in that so called 30% depth claim gain average, as claimed by Minelab & not for opening up new patches of gold, over old haunts, just having the chance to reach out, on that odd nugget or slug of gold, lying out of reach of the 14x13, but within reach of that promised 30% depth gain advantage.
Of course the gold has to be there from start to find it & within reach of the 19 inch coils capabilities to be found, but maybe, if the claimed 30% depth gain average, was shown to be there, on/over gold from the start, instead of the 0 to 15%, that most 19 inch coil users have witnessed so far, maybe, just maybe, many more so called experienced, or inexperienced users of the 19 inch GPZ coil, would be posting up, a lot more gold nugget finds, no? Or is it because that all investors of the 19 inch super D coil, are now in hiding, or laying low, due to the massive amounts of gold they're finding, with their newly bought investment? Shocked Q35

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Post  AraratGold on Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:53 pm

I got out for a few hours last week with the GPZ19, and hit an old patch  of mine that my Dad and I had meticulously gridded and cross gridded with string lines, using the ZED14 and 5000 with 17x13 EVO, and every combo of normal and difficult ground mode on both detectors. It was a virgin patch when I found it and was now
" officially  dead ". The gold here was very rough and gnarly.

Long story short, 8 bits for 34 grams, including a deep 14 grammer that later cleaned up at 10.8. I was not gridding carefully, just slowly wandering around the patch. There will be more once I grid carefully !
All targets were found in normal, high yield combo, and were quiet but sweet dig me targets. None could be heard in difficult ground mode. Sensitivity at 18, no audio smoothing. EMI not an issue, even in the middle of the day.

Yes it is heavy, although manageable, and the skid plate with rubber edging was an abomination, until I stripped all the rubber off.
Coil has proven it's worth to me already, and is now paid for !

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Post  Guest on Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:25 pm

AraratGold wrote:I got out for a few hours last week with the GPZ19, and hit an old patch  of mine that my Dad and I had meticulously gridded and cross gridded with string lines, using the ZED14 and 5000 with 17x13 EVO, and every combo of normal and difficult ground mode on both detectors. It was a virgin patch when I found it and was now
" officially  dead ". The gold here was very rough and gnarly.

Long story short, 8 bits for 34 grams, including a deep 14 grammer that later cleaned up at 10.8. I was not gridding carefully, just slowly wandering around the patch. There will be more once I grid carefully !
All targets were found in normal, high yield combo, and were quiet but sweet dig me targets. None could be heard in difficult ground mode. Sensitivity at 18, no audio smoothing. EMI not an issue, even in the middle of the day.

Yes it is heavy, although manageable, and the skid plate with rubber edging was an abomination, until I stripped all the rubber off.
Coil has proven it's worth to me already, and is now paid for !

Rick

Thanks Rick,

Good to see some more good reports of some gold being found with the new GPZ19" coming in from the vic goldfields. Very Happy Thanks for sharing this with the forum members and I hope you find many more on your patch.

Cheers.

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Post  kon61 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:29 pm

Q33 The more good news the better. Well done Rick. cheers

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Post  Ridge Runner on Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:45 pm

Firstly JP thanks for all the help that you have shared with folks over the Years, Top Man.

The Z has only been out for about 18 months +/- ? and people are still learning it's habits / traits so it is not fair to pass judgement as yet, And those who have only owned one for a couple of months are still learning, So by adding the new 19" coil in to the mix is going set most people back to square one, As with any detector / coil combo if you change the coil you will see some changes, some good some bad, In my time I must of tested 60+ coils maybe more and one thing that I have learned is that such quoted depth figures can change hugely on any machine and the Zed is no different,

We have all had our say, Me more than most, But it is time to back off and let those who own one enjoy it, Those Owner are Detectorists / Prospectors just like the rest of us and they are one of us, So they need our support for taking on such a challenge in the first place, I bet even JP is still learning the odd thing now and then from the Z,

Because the Machine is New/ish people can't make a valid judgement after 2 or 3 weeks of swinging the 19 in the bush, This is going to take a couple of months at leased, The Machine is totally different / Alien from what we have known even to the point of a simple coil change is sending people back to school, This time next year the results will be big as more and more get all the wrinkles Ironed out and good luck to them,

The Z does not suit my needs but even I have come to Admire the Z and it's users, I have the machines I want and need, But when I see pictures like JP has posted here they make even the hardest critics smile, So I wish all you Z Pilots all the luck in the world.

Big thanks to JP for the Thread and the Pictures, HH.

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Post  AraratGold on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:30 pm

Photo of Z19 gold


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Post  Ridge Runner on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:35 pm

AraratGold wrote:Photo of Z19 gold


Awesome, You must be right close to the source, Spikey Gold looks impressive when cleaned,

Congrats and thanks for sharing the pics,

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Post  norvic on Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:34 pm

Have to now stayed out of posting on this thread, but I`ll give it a shot. Reading through all the posts one in particular I`ll answer. Does the 19" punch 30% deeper? On getting the 19 went over a very productive patch had been flogged by a 5000 with a 14" flat wound mono and two Zs with the 14". The 19 with ease picked up a few more, were they 30% deeper then what the Z14 would get I don`t know, the last thing on my mind now and then is proving to anyone else its ability, I just went out there with the confidence I have in a new ML product, a confidence I have always had in ML, it got the heavy stuff and paid for itself in its first few hours exactly as I expected it would. Reason I expected this was I knew there was more down there and have no doubt there still is.

To test it does 30% better then the 14, would require another Z with a 14 there, and then how do you measure?????? Dig down until the 14 picks it up, but if your experienced you`d know you`ve just busted the surface and changed the equation completely.

I have a few questions. Would anyone bother trying to prove MLs claim, when all you want to do is get more of that lovely yellow stuff? Would you? Me I`ll take MLs word for it, you know why I take MLs word for it and have confidence in any product they produce? This question I`ll answer, I started out in this game in 79, many detectors then replaced a GM2(very productive) with MLs 1700 then onto the PIs, not one of MLs detectors or coils have not produced, one thing I know about ML knockers they have been consistently wrong, time with MLs gear has proven that to me. No I don`t give coords to my patches, get positive fellows and find your own but above all trust ML. They surely do change peoples fortunes, but the detector is not even 30% of the equation. The users attitude and ability is 70% plus.

I am not connected in any way with ML other then I am a happy customer and I respect their test pilots, advice. JPs advice, why not when it helps put some weight on. My only bitch with the Z is its crappy GPS and the inability to access its data without going through Exchange. To me the GPS is near as important a tool to find gold as the detector and has been since the 90s. But I hope ML will address this.


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Post  Ridge Runner on Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:48 pm

It would be good if the GPS was a stand alone unit with about 500 or 1000 waypoints, I just bought another GPS soley for detecting because I have cluttered up my others with waypoints from other journey's etc, and I have forgotten what most of them are.

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