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Post  Liquid Gold on Tue May 16, 2017 8:30 am

By the way, who's paying for this. Oh, yes...We Are! And how much is going to cost us to be "written" out of our forests? This guy needs a new job in a communist country. Maybe North Korea.....
If he's serious about this not affecting our hobby, then he should have our miners rights amended to include "Heritage" areas with some conditions. (ex. don't detect within 20 meters of structures..)
We need people in the government who represent the people. This system has slid too far left and is run by people haters...
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Post  Old Hand on Tue May 16, 2017 8:39 am

Bill , I disagree
Chris Meddows Taylor should be asked to attend the meeting tomorrow night regards john Very Happy
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Post  Jims Gold on Tue May 16, 2017 1:10 pm

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Post  Wombat on Tue May 16, 2017 2:14 pm

Old Hand wrote:Bill , I disagree
Chris Meddows Taylor should be asked to attend the meeting tomorrow night regards john Very Happy

John try and come to our meeting tomorrow night. We are expecting a lot of people there. PMAV members and non members.
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Post  Wombat on Tue May 16, 2017 2:42 pm

This was also in the same news paper today as well. I think this has something to do with these new proposed State or National Parks in the Goldfields.
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Post  Kon61gold on Tue May 16, 2017 3:45 pm

If Councillor Taylor says the claims about prospectors/detectorists are untrue, will he be willing to guarantee us chook scratching detectorists (on paper) that prospecting for native minerals, within the new claimed World Heritage Areas, using only that of hand operated devices/tools, will be allowed to continue?

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Post  Grandfather Johnson on Tue May 16, 2017 4:49 pm

Hey Bill , Ya might need a bigger room for the meeting ,there should be plenty in attendance. V26 Cheers

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Post  Wombat on Wed May 17, 2017 8:10 am

I just got this from Tim Miller who works in the office of Jaala Pulford Mp for Ballarat. Going by this we have nothing to worry about. But we will see tonight at the meeting.
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Post  dougy on Wed May 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Hi wombat,good luck with all tonight,but don't get lulled into a false sense of security when (((they promise detecting))) in itself will not be an issue according to them.After looking at the Castlemaine site with main erea's being fenced and even ticket box's mentioned with carparking & walking tracks installed.But the thing now to keep in mind is the creation of WALKING path's & bicycle tracks is of concern in that with these installed they may be the only access into most area's of interest to (US).Can you imagine if some or most of the vehicle tracks were illiminated and then having to park your car in designated spots or worse on roadsides then having to trek in quite some distance or klms to applicable spots of detecting,the safety of your car and utmost your own safety in isolation must be consided as most detectorist observed out there are of senior age and would be disadvantaged to a point of giveing it away,if this was the case and from experience I allway's keep the car in site.Not being vindictive here but just pointing out there could be a FLIPSIDE to their generosity.
PS.Were these same people instrumental in setting up Paddy's Rangers

http://www.maryboroughadvertiser.com.au/2016/11/prospectors-concerned-land-investigation/


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Post  Wombat on Wed May 17, 2017 3:34 pm

Dougy in regards to Paddy Rangers. Chris-Meddow-Taylor (the same man who is pushing these World Heritage sites) told the PMAV at a meeting in Dec. last year that he had a lot to do with Paddy Rangers becoming a State Park. So you know what sort of man he is.
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Post  polak on Wed May 17, 2017 9:52 pm

Beware any promises made by civil servants. This was a quote from an article in the Maryborough District Advertiser

http://www.maryboroughadvertiser.com.au/2012/10/two-new-faces/

from the man of the moment in 2012 after losing his seat on the Central Goldfields Shire council ....

"But Mr Meddows-Taylor, a Talbot resident and consultant by profession, ruled out any prospect of renominating for council in future, instead saying he will focus on other ways to support his community.
“I’ve always been a believer that you move on,” he said.
“It’s been a fantastic council. I have enjoyed every minute of it and I don’t leave with any sense of bitterness.
“I wish John well. I believe that when one door closes you move on.”

Fast forward four years ..........The new council was declared on Wednesday, November 2, 2016.

http://www.centralgoldfields.com.au/?id=21010100DBA5BAAD1EC7B417CA2577BA000497E7

Guess who's back???   Career politicians will tell you exactly what you want to hear full well knowing its a lie and not lose a minute of sleep over it. Beware!

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Post  ROCKDOC69 on Wed May 17, 2017 11:03 pm

Any restrictions are bad.
Don't forget that the area is over 25,000sqkm and I really don't understand why he has such a sense of urgency to make it Heritage listed under an organisation which he has a massive stake in The National Heritage List.
Does he make more money the more land is under their jurisdiction? There is something behind his desire to have these areas listed and I don't believe its for making prospecting any easier for us!?

Why do they even need to be listed if they are already protected under state laws?

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Post  gollstar on Thu May 18, 2017 5:16 pm

Jeez i knew i should have ran for council! next time around we need to vote in our own people i can offer 3 votes, even if we have to Branch stack a little bit, like everyone from everywhere can move into my place (on Paper) and vote the Pukes out!
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Post  Wombat on Thu May 18, 2017 7:46 pm

OK everyone here is a report on last nights PMAV meeting on the World Heritage think and what it really mean to us. The meeting was a two part meeting. one on the World Heritage and the other on the proposed State or National Park that is ear marked for the Golden Triangle. (This one is now concerning)
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PMAV Central Goldfields Branch
Special Meeting held on 17th May 2017
At Maryborough Highland Society Clubrooms

Opening
The President opened the meeting at 7.30pm.
Bill declared that there would be no Central Goldfields Branch meeting tonight because of time restraints but would instead go straight to the main topics of the night. He then welcomed Mr Tim Miller (from the office of Jaala Pulford MP for Regional Development), Louise Staley (MP for Ripon) and Olly Oleszek  ( PMAV President).

The World Heritage push by Councils.
Tim Miller
Tim presented an outline of why he believes the "World Heritage" push by Councils has been grossly distorted by statements from Councils and media reports that have led to a widespread misunderstanding of what the real situation is. He stated the reported  $68,000,000  wildly incorrect and would be more like $22,000,000. He also stated that the reported 25000 sq kilometre’s was not a blanket cover but only related to the area of land under the control of the combined councils. Tim answered many questions from the floor and was adamant that the only sites that could be included are ones that are already under existing Victorian Heritage listings such as the Castlemaine diggings but mainly historic buildings. He went on to stress that at this stage the "World Heritage" push is only a proposal and that there will have to be extensive community consultations (including with the PMAV)before they can go ahead, and this process could take 2 to 3 years. Tim also laid out a fact sheet which had already been doing the rounds on Facebook and Internet Forums which clearly puts a whole new perspective on the matter and should alleviate all concerns.
Bill then stated that with all the information it’s clear that all prospectors can rest easy as there is no change to the present situation, ie we can detect as normal including respecting  all the existing heritage sites as we have always done, he then went on to thank Tim for his attendance to which everyone gave applause.

New State or National Parks  
The PMAV Victorian President Olly Oleszek

Olly pointed out that new State or National Park listings were being proposed (allegedly by the Greens) such as the Great Forest National Park in the Central highlands which would close off 355000 hectares  in the hope of attracting thousands of tourists and thereby generating millions of dollars which seems to be a familiar theme these days. Also proposed is a National or StatePark for The Golden Triangle/Western Vic which would total 120,000 hectares, and he went on to say that an obscure survey in Canada is the basis of the $68,000,000 touted in the World Heritage statements. Many millions of dollars will be lost if forests are closed says Olly as there is evidence that State Parks  drive people away with an example being the closure of the Eldorado C/van Park due to lack of prospectors following new restrictions. He restated that the new proposed State Parks will cover a huge area and he will soon be calling for everyone to send Emails to Politicians as they don’t like this effective way of getting a message across.
At this point Louise Staley (MP for Ripon) gave her backing to the idea of sending Emails and also of being very vocal pointing out that the Greens are very vocal and we have to be the same. She also likes the idea of having one big rally on Parliament steps as another effective way to get the message across.
Olly then finished by saying that we are expected to accept other cultures but our culture is gold mining and they will destroy it if they can.
All guests were thanked for attending and a report/news item will be in the Maryborough Advertiser newspaper on Friday May 19th

Meeting Ended   8.38pm
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Post  Wombat on Thu May 18, 2017 8:06 pm

This was also posted on the PMAV Facebook page by Olly Oleszek Presdent of the PMAV
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Published by Olly Oleszek · 57 mins ·
I attended the Pmav central branch last night we had Louise Staley member for Rippon and Tim Miller advisor to Jaala Pulford member for Western Victoria, the main topic of discussion was the Proposed World Heritage listing of the Golden Triangle. Tim Miller told us that a lot of the hysteria regarding this listing was due to media misinformation that gave the idea that the whole of the goldfields was to be listed. He gave us assurances that the listings would only be site specific ie the Castlemaine diggings, the Maryborough railway station etc, this did take a bit of anger out of the meeting but the Pmav will be monitoring any further developments and taking the appropriate action as required. I spoke on a much more pressing issue and that is the Central West Forest Investigation, there are initially 3 areas under investigation the Pyrenees Ranges State Forest, Wellsford State Forest and entire Wombat State Forest which could become State Parks or National Parks and we would be excluded from these, if these parks are lost to us the Greens have another 7 areas on their wish list Dunolly-waanyarra, Kingower, Bealiba, Moliagul, Harvest Home, Timor and Fryers Range. As you can see this would virtually wipe out prospecting in the Golden Triangle add to this the Proposed Great Forest National Park and Victoria would be a non prospecting state and we are being supported whole heartedly by Louise Staley. More information will be posted and a plan to contact your local politicians both upper and lower house will be formulated
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Post  Wombat on Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 pm

If there are members here, that are not members of the PMAV they should be. Remember these are your goldfields we are talking about and your possible loss of your hobby if these Parks come in.

If you sign up now you WILL be covered till the 31 June 2018. We signed up 2 new members last night at our meeting and they are covered till June 2018. You can go to this link below and print of the application form fill it in (remember to tick your nearest branch) then scan it if you are planning to E-mail it. Or you can post it to the address on the form. We have branches at most parts of Victoria, East Gippsland-Stratford, West Gippsland-Drouin, North East-Yackandandah, Melbourne, Goldfield Central-Maryborough, Ballarat, Geelong,& Bendigo. If you want to join Geelong you will have to write that on the application form as it is a new branch that has just been formed. $50 for Individual / family membership or $30 for Pensioner / family membership.
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Post  UNCLE BOB on Thu May 18, 2017 11:29 pm

You really need to change how you structure the memberships. If you sign up in December, your membership only lasts until June 30, that is a bloody stupid idea.
It should be 12 months membership from the date of joining.
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Post  Wombat on Fri May 19, 2017 12:41 am

Bob any new member that joins after Feb. will get the whole of that year and half of the next year,All excising 12 months members their year starts on the 1st of July and finishes on the 31st of June the following year.
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Post  Jims Gold on Fri May 19, 2017 10:03 am

UNCLE BOB wrote:You really need to change how you structure the memberships. If you sign up in December, your membership only lasts until June 30, that is a bloody stupid idea.
It should be 12 months membership from the date of joining.


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If you sign up after Dec 31st you only have to pay 50% of the membership fee which will take you to June 30th, but as Bill says they added a new incentive by giving anyone signing after Feb and paying the full fee will get membership to the following year. EG signed after Feb 2017 gives membership to June 30th 2018.

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Post  ROCKDOC69 on Fri May 19, 2017 1:44 pm

I'm definitely joining the PMAV.

Meanwhile our petition to keep pressure on these 'decision makers' has garnered over 1,400 signatures and climbing.
Now that the VEAC has announced a newly commissioned (more wasted public money) on the Central West Investigation and the infamous 'Roothy' has shared and supported it, we expect to be able to keep even more attention on pressure on these clowns.
Here is the areas they now want to interfere with:

Don't forget to sign and share the petition.


The PMAV refuses to acknowledge the VEAC (rightly so as they are biased) and won't submit submissions, when called upon, but we will.
https://www.change.org/p/don-t-lock-up-the-victorian-bush

CHEERS


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Post  rowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 4:14 pm

I see the Maryborough Council is crying foul and that the media got it wrong and misquoted what they were trying to do. Funny thing is that they have been "misquoted" since 2008 and not one of them did anything to rectify this so called misquote. They were quite happy to run with it all this time so I do not believe them. They have now retired to their bunker to try and implement the next stage of their plan by whatever deceptive means it takes.
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