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Post  Acan on Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:16 pm

Hello all, I had a mate show me the Alibaba web site. It is a Chinese trade directory. All the business's that want to sell to the world are virtually listed here.

Have a look at the metal detectors on site for sale.

They are pretty crude.

There are 12,916 ground metal detectors from 410 suppliers.

I personally would not buy.

Though if you wanted to test one for $100 to $200 - depending on what you buy, you never know.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/427101093/High_depth_Ground_Metal_detector_MD.html

Any way I thought you may like to see what is happening outside of the land of OZ.

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Post  Acan on Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:19 pm

Oh forgot to add. If you go into the compnay site this is what they say-

"Our company was established in 2002, noce called Shenzhen xinlidahong.tech.co.ltd., which product professional Mental detectors ,eas system . After 8 years development, our technology of mental detectors is meeting the international high level and ... "

Great use of English and they are making - MENTAL Detectors !!

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Post  TheGoldenChild on Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:31 pm

GPX5000 US$600..I think I'll buy half a dozen lol!
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Post  Acan on Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:55 pm

Look at the new GPX 4500 from China.

Sorry GPX 4500 F - must be a new model.

Looks a little different than the usual.

Great price though.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/359329458/GPX_4500F_underground_metal_detector.html

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Post  harryopal on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:14 pm

Good afternoon all,
Acan, you forgot to mention that these wonderful Chinese detectors have a depth of from 3 to 5 metres so Minelab had better look to their mettle.

And now a chilling thought. We are waxing enthusiastically about the huge tourism that is to develop from China. How long before the penny drops and some of these tourists will realize all they need is a fossicking licence, their whizz bang detector from home and they will pull up all those deep nuggets with the terrific depth of field these cheap detectors claim?

Will we see the Lambing Flat riots all over again?

Yours tropically, Harry

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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:30 pm

harryopal wrote:Good afternoon all,
Acan, you forgot to mention that these wonderful Chinese detectors have a depth of from 3 to 5 metres so Minelab had better look to their mettle.

And now a chilling thought. We are waxing enthusiastically about the huge tourism that is to develop from China. How long before the penny drops and some of these tourists will realize all they need is a fossicking licence, their whizz bang detector from home and they will pull up all those deep nuggets with the terrific depth of field these cheap detectors claim?

Will we see the Lambing Flat riots all over again?

Yours tropically, Harry

yes but they do call them underground detectors so i assume that you have to be nearly 3 to 4.5 meters under ground first!!

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Post  byronbinalong on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:42 pm

GEE ... my work could use some "MENTAL detectors" for the managers .... What a Face What a Face
but then again you wouldnt know if they are working or not Very Happy ... the detectors that is Shocked Shocked
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Post  delapan on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:50 pm

looks just like the $100 specials you can get off ebay, work well, have a detecting depth of about 4 inches !!!!! gazza
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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:08 pm

Do they come with a Life-Time warranty & a 4 cent fuel docket ?? Laughing
Osama. Laughing

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Post  Acan on Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:14 pm

No , no fuel dockets.

But they can supply 5000 units per month.

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Post  kon61 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:58 pm




What? Alibaba "Open Sesame"

Cheers kon61.
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Post  secret squirrel on Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:21 pm

open sesame and open sesayou , but se ground wil not open coz the mental detector has unstable circit to find se gold...i sink i hear a lot of ping affraid
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Post  Nebuchadnezzar on Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:53 pm

Alibaba seems more like a pack of opportunists hoping to cash in on the online shopping frenzy, than a group of legitimate Chinese manufacturers/suppliers. Noticed also someone manufacturing/supplying Coiltek coils LOL http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/253717233/goldstalker_coiltek_18x12_and_18_round.html

BTW, English language problems with non-English speaking countries is not uncommon. Perhaps because I deal with them on a daily basis, I for one can't see the amusing side to this.
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Post  Acan on Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:13 pm

Well I thought - Mental Detectors was funny! Acan jocolor
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Post  kon61 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:24 pm




I tried to decipher the word "Alibaba" through various dictionaries,but for some unknown reason,they all kept referring me back to, look up title under "Forty Thieves"

Cheers kon61..
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Post  Guest on Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:56 pm

kon61 wrote:


I tried to decipher the word "Alibaba" through various dictionaries,but for some unknown reason,they all kept referring me back to, look up title under "Forty Thieves"

Cheers kon61..

yep Ali Ba Ba and his 40 thieves!! ive met him once Very Happy

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Post  kon61 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:27 pm



Murachu, your lucky you only met him once,don't push it for seconds or you'll find yourself not only fleeced of all possessions but you'll be pushing a long lonely hike back home,with no jocks.

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Post  maka on Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:49 pm

Hi guys. I do buy a lot of various things from Alibaba and aliexpress.
Neally everything you see on ebay is from there originally once u learn to scan listings for certain items.
What i will say is sometimes you get what you pay for. But sometimes the copies are better made than the originals.
I mainly buy electronics for restoring arcade machines.( PCB's printed circuit boards)
Now with that in mine a detector is a printed circuit board, and if copied exactly will be no different from the original.
I would say a pcb from a XXXX brand detector could be made in bulk for my uneducated guess would be $80 to $100 because labor is cheap there.
You could stick a PCB from a top of the range detector in a ice cream bucket for arguments sake, put a coil on a broom handle, and it would find just as much gold as one with an ergonomic handle and nice and shiny alloy parts.
I myself would not buy a chinese detector, but i have bought stihl chainsaws, water pumps, electronics , cosmetics etc that are very good quality.
Some items i have bought have been sub standard and i give them away as presents etc or charities or raffles.
While i am on the subject without saying we get ripped off in OZ, is this.
I have bought pcb's from china because no one makes them in OZ. And any extras i bang on ebay.
Now i have been asked where i get them, I answer truthfully... The buyer says "no thanks" i will buy one from the local electronics shop as they are Australian.
I just laugh as no one makes them here and they all come from there but people still believe they do.
So the person buys from a shop for 200% more than i sell for and the shop buys from the same wholesaler i do!!!!!
And the shop will lie to them face to face and say they are Aussie made..
Look at Apple ipods. All made in china then exported to USA then back to China for some bizarre reason( Or is the reason so they say made in USA on them?)
BTW ALIBABA will print made in OZ on any items you buy or made in france for perfumes etc.
DO NOT DO THAT ITS FRAUD!!!!
I do not misled people by doing this but just opening some peoples eyes to what actually goes on.
ALI express and baba both have paypal and visa and the money sites in a 3rd party acct till you get your item or they refund you in 30 days.
Always check sellers feedback before you do buy as there are scams everywhere on the net.
I personally have bought over 3000 items from those 2 chinese shops and never been ripped off ( touch wood)
Just my 2 cents worth from my personal experience...
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Post  Goldbait on Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:57 pm

I don't know about you guys, but i'd be buying this

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/470898990/New_fresh_Minelab_gpx_4500_gold.html

Just look at that detector depth. 1.5 - 3.5m..... What are we doing buying an australian produt.

For all intent and purposes i'm being sarcastic and would never buy this product
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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:59 pm

kon61 wrote:

Murachu, your lucky you only met him once,don't push it for seconds or you'll find yourself not only fleeced of all possessions but you'll be pushing a long lonely hike back home,with no jocks.

Cheers kon61.

ahh he was an imposter !! it was one of his many aliases !! lol!

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Post  maka on Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:14 pm

After that long speil here is a convo i just had on this item, You should get a laugh out of this....
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/446107363/Minelab_GPX_4500_undergound_metal_detector.html


Gavin (2011-7-5 18:56:29)
hello
Gavin (2011-7-5 18:57:45)
hello?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 01:58:23)
hi
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 01:58:25)
i am here
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 01:58:35)
This is Nicole
Gavin (2011-7-5 18:59:Cool
Can you confirm these are original minelab detectors please?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 01:59:37)
they are the copy one.
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 01:59:44)
not the original one.
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:0:17)
are they the same electronics inside?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:00:59)
yeah. they are a little different on the system.
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:1:9)
So the circuit board is original?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:02:28)
no, the circuit boad it's not the oringinal
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:02:36)
it's using our system.
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:2:56)
is it as good as original? What is your system?
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:4:13)
can you supply schematics for the system you use?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:04:38)
we are the factory of metal detector for years. there is only a little differnt on the operation on the machine.
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:5:25)
what size gold do they find and at what depth in high mineral soils?
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:6:41)
how much are they?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:06:57)
it can find a gold coil in a about 30cm depth
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:07:06)
it can find a gold coin in a about 30cm depth
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:07:49)
$1550 for sample 1 unit
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:8:57)
How about $200 AUS for a sample?
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:09:21)
$200 ?
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:9:44)
Yes .
I can buy original minelab very cheap here.
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:10:07)
i said $1550/unit, i am so sorry, $200 it's very far away from us.
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:10:22)
we bought the oringal one last year as well.
Gavin (2011-7-5 19:10:17)
OK thank you for your time
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:10:36)
ok.
Nicole Wong(2011-07-05 02:10:38)
welcome

Ok so you get a 1500 dollar machine capable of picking up a coil 30 cm down!!!!!
And they bought the original last year... surely not to copy??????
I smell litigation....
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Post  klob on Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:09 pm

Hey guys

I really think this minelab vs everything needs some myth busting.

Question is minelab pi detector as good as other brand or the cheap chinese one.

Has anyone done a hard look at it and some real test.

I had a person using a brandname vs my gc brand detecor(paid 100 bucks for it) and guess what, I found nuggets in some place the minelan did not pick up anything.

He want back to the store for a refund and the guy did the - you aren't using it right, and he said I did not pay 800 more for my device to have to invest. X hours in'learning about the device when my mate chinese brand one works with a simple 1,2,3 button.

In a nutshell I am not saying the cheap one are better then the chinese ones, but I will wait for some solid test instead of what the company of the product did the test.

Don't forget in a gold rush the people that became rich sold the stuff to the miners Smile,

I feel like if I don't go out in the field with a brand name I get look upon my detector, but if the brand name does not pick up the gold it was user fault.

Have fun out there, I love my cheap chinese detector and it paid itself off in two trips. How long will it talk for your brand name one to pay off?

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Post  Rtanweb on Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:41 pm

Klob....

i think your entire post is bullshit.

a big fat furry lie.

And thats not how you spell "KNOB"
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Post  Acan on Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:15 pm

Hey Klob, what are you going on about.

Your Dreammmmmmmmmming.

Are you sure your not the resurrection of - Strawberry.

Your post sounds a lot like Strawberry.

He would also come on and crap on to all and left - peeved off because he could not find any gold after one session!

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Post  Goldbait on Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:01 pm

yep. first impressions was strawberry has come back.

This coming from a member with one post.

guess he couldn't resist and had to come back.

post is total ****. needs some mythbusting. I think if anyone was serious enough they would have done their research on this web site and seen the results between minelab and other detectors.

I wish i found gold on my first trip. i must have put in 100 hours in the gold fields before i found my first nugget.

But just goes to show, detecting isn't for everyone. Those that expect the world and find nothing on 1 trip (if he even went out) are expecting too much.
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Post  maka on Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:35 pm

Maybe detectors need a universal base setting.
Like car fuel to mile ratio's or 0-100 in 5.6 seconds.
I.E
1 gram at 300mm yes/no
2 grams at 400mm yes/no
1 oz at 450mm yes/no
All in the same soil type etc moisture, electrical interferance etc.
All tested the same way with specs in the handbook.
So you know if you buy a X brand detector it will find x at x depth
Then spreadsheets can be made and put all the my detector is better than yours arguments to bed.
Maybe they should all be done in our soil conditions/
just my 2 bobs worth.
But for a novice like me it would be nice to google ( i want to find.5 gram at 400mm in hot ground what detector will do it?)
And up pops a spread sheet with all the known brands and how well they did..
If you made a sheet like that you would probably be rich in monetary gain, and knowledge, but also in backhanders from a select group of companies that want their product on the top shelf.
I have spent a week or more researching different machines and most people say spend as much as you can on a good machine.
I would rather drive an old HQ than a new taiwanese car across Australia. And the HQ would not only get me there but be much cheaper to buy and repair.
Between the top of the range in brands there must be a happy quality/ price ratio . I am probably wrong and these test have already been done.
But i havent stumbled across them yet.
And would love to see something like that if anyone has a link...
I didnt mean that post to sound negative although it does, but if i went into a store and a 15 year old was serving me, pissing in my pocket and telling me it was raining, i would like to look at the box and see a stamp that says . made in Australia. And guaranteed to find 1 gram at 300mm in neutral ground. AMDS ( AUSSIE METAL DETECTOR SPECS) or something like that.
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Post  Chuckles on Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:34 pm

Hey klob...I agree that there is a small element of "mines better( or bigger) than yours" regarding detectors...just as there is regarding anything...I put it down to the need to feel superior due to an inherent insecurity...BUT....
I have had to deal with too many Chinese electronic items that have failed due to poor build or component quality and there is no such thing as technical support for these items.( I am an electronics tech specialising in music gear )
Even the big names in musical amplification that are now made in China are poor cousins of the original British or US gear...bad solder joints , cheap components and poor engineering design leading to poor performance and sometimes a safety hazzard... and the crap quality isn't limited to music gear.
Now give them another 20 years and maybe they will be designing (rather than copying ) some good stuff but up till now the quality has been appalling and the opportunistic copying and fakery is nothing short of parasitic.Twisted Evil
I refuse to touch any electronic gear made in China due to the lack of service data and no way would I pay more than $30 for anything made in china cause I know that if by a miracle it works out of the box then it will probably be a throw-away within 12 months.
If I was producing anything electronic I would be encasing the circuitboard and components in coloured epoxy resin so no-one could ever reverse engineer the circuit design...and that is why Minelab paint their boards...they would be better off using epoxy even though it means no repairs to circuit boards..just replacment of the boards...that's often cheaper than component level fault finding anyway.
You be better off buying a few nuggets off ebay than spending money on a chinese detector and trying to find gold.
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Post  klob on Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:29 pm

Maka I agree with detector need some baseline.

What does made for aussie conditions mean?

Where is minelab made ?

http://www.minelab.com/consumer/knowledge-base/news?article=19903

I am wondering if the gpx 5000 is made in australia mate?
I guess like fanboy on here the truth is hard to see.

Why can we buy a minelab cheaper in usa'then australia?

Why can't I transfer my minelab warranty ?
Each to their own and yes your stuff is made in asia.

I think you have lost your marble looking for gold, no cars come tawain so how can it break down?

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look around u, it all made in asia, even your clothes. Wait look at your computer parts and your TV.


Goldbait and Acan
I have been treasure hunting for while
Seem like everyone is finding gold with all different, the biggest nuggets in australia where not found by minelab.

I would love to see the test not sponsered by a rep


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Post  Chuckles on Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:40 pm

"Chuckles
look around u, it all made in asia, even your clothes. Wait look at your computer parts and your TV.
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Oh no it isn't ..I do not buy cheap Chinese crap if an alternative is available...and even though that alternative usually costs more it lasts a lot longer...None of my clothes are from China and neither are any most electronics in my house..including my computer and TV..not all countries, including a lot of asian countries, produce rubbish like china does.
The only Chinese made stuff I have is a cheap digital scale and a guitar effects pedal...both costing less than $30 so when they die itwill be no great loss.
China is the scourge of the earth in terms of undermining research and development by their copying of products..a bunch of mindless looters after an easy buck.
If you have a problem with anyone who dares to tell the truth about the poor quality of Chinese products then tough luck...I guess you are of Chinese origin and that is why you are spruiking Chinese made detectors right?.
Damn..I can find the "bugger off" smiley.
lol!

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Post  klob on Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:51 pm

Chuckles wrote:
If you have a problem with anyone who dares to tell the truth about the poor quality of Chinese products then tough luck...I guess you are of Chinese origin and that is why you are spruiking Chinese made detectors right?.
Damn..I can find the "bugger off" smiley.
lol!

Why is this a race thing ?

I only asked for'the test, as you sound as it sounds like these are thoughts on your'personal experience rather then facts.
You sound like a'rep''trying to pimp his goods on here.
So is minelab australia made ?

Myth or fact?

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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/s/schematics/surfmaster-pi-metal-detector.png&imgrefurl=http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/s/surfmaster-pi-metal-detector.php&h=935&w=2000&sz=77&tbnid=o9Q7pAmMmFoIpM:&tbnh=70&tbnw=150&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmetal%2Bdetecting%2Bpi%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=metal+detecting+pi&hl=en&usg=__fOpYmxSDLPvKyuMvTfLDhT7lAj8=&sa=X&ei=IL0VTq3nHvHymAXg4qwm&ved=0CCsQ9QEwAzgK

Here is a link of a cheap pi detector, (and no I am no chinese spy ), all u need is soldering skills, a metal box and broom stick to attach the coil.



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